Friday, April 18, 2008

You Wanna Be A Rockstar?

Today I read a friend's blog. This particular blog generally makes me laugh or question what my view is on a particular matter. Today's reading made me question and comment. This I rarely do. I have known Shaun for many years. We attended the same church when Mark and I lived in Tennessee. He is in the same industry that my husband is in- yet, now to a different degree. With that being said he was very real and honest in his feelings about the Christian Music Industry, or the music industry in general. I gave my heartfelt comments in a totally different view and this seemed to excite Shaun. He has encouraged me to do this post.

Let it be said in both cases it is not a who's right or wrong. It is a this is how it is for you, this is how it is for me. Shaun also raised some very real questions that he encouraged me to answer. So, here goes.
Shaun:
Stephanie is a friend - a friend I don’t see much, but a friend. And I totally agree that there are folks like her and Mark (he’s in Third Day) who “succeed” and remain healthy in marriage and faith. But it’s hard. I think you’d agree, Stephanie, as someone who’s made the effort and fought the good fight, that’s very very hard to do at times. And, as part of a band, I think you’d agree, your husband and you give up some (a lot?) of control over your lives to the other members of the band, the product cycle, the demands of marketers and radio stations and label types and contracts and managers. And, if those folks who have a say in how your life will be lived, don’t see things as you do, don’t share your priorities, your life can become difficult/impossible. Agree with all that, Stephanie? It’s hard.


Stephanie: Never ever in a million year's have I said that my life or what Mark does is NOT hard. I think anyone who has a "normal" job (IE: working for the man) has it hard. They give up of themselves a little everyday to make a living and support their families. Yet, I have been fortunate enough to have a spouse who "LOVES" his job. To quote my daughter- it's like he's always on vacation. See that is how we feel about his job. Please don't take that the wrong way. This is a job. He has tons of emails a day with decisions to make. As a shareholder in any company would have. But in general he leaves the house and gets to enjoy his job, minister to others and spend time with his best friends. Therefore I would have to disagree with Shaun in that NONE of the other members of our band control our lives. You see from the beginning of the band, back when the earth was cooling, the boys established that if anyone had a major issue about something they wouldn't do it. This has allowed that they decide collectively what will and will not be done. As for the other powers that be- they will strongly advise that things be done, but I assure you, if it were to conflict with our family, or any others, that it would not be done. NO MATTER THE BENEFITS. We make sure that all parties that we work with have our same priorities or at least know that we will not veer from them. A good example would be Nashville. In the beginning we were "told" to make it we had to be in Nashville, well- as you all know, Third Day is and will always be an Atlanta based band. They stood firm, dug their heels in and did whatever they had to to make it work- from home. Mark and I lived in Nashville for 5 years b/c we wanted to not b/c we had to. Mark is a songwriter and was spending tons of time up there. At the time it made sense to be there, when we had a daughter, we moved home b/c it didn't make sense anymore- being close to our families was more important.

Shaun:
Let’s imagine we’re in Third Day. Incredibly successful band. Great guys. Much respect here. Imagine you’re in the band. Your life is shared with and partially governed by a business called Third Day, and one called Creative Trust, and one called Provident Music Group and the wives of the other guys in the band and on and on. Your dates are planed out months in advance and secured with contracts. You can’t just take a vacation when you need one. You have to have permission in some form. That’s just normal work/community stuff right? You can’t just leave the tour and come home because you’re needed or just wanted or because your kids miss you. You can’t sit together in church most Sundays. You can’t always make the Christmas party or the garage sale or… It’s hard. And Stephanie and Mark and others have dealt with the difficulty well. Very well from what I see on the outside. But not everyone does or can though. I can’t do that. I’m not made for that. Most artists I’ve known have dropped out within two years of signing (I just counted 13) - because it’s hard - harder in a band - harder when no one warns you upfront about what this life is like. Labels don’t. Managers don’t. I am. Prepare yourself, I’m saying, get ready for it, eyes open, be alert, talk to your wife about all this now, set boundaries now, find wise counsel now, weigh the costs now, then do what you’re called to do in the healthiest way you can.


Stephanie: Thank you for the kind comments. First, for 10 years Third Day was managed by Creative Trust, needing a change- as some folks do we are now managed by Red Light Management. Ok, having cleared that up, yes I can look into next year and tell you where Mark will be on any given day. I can also look into next year and tell you when I will be able to take off to the beach with my family on any given week. You see, Third Day has a system. Foolproof- NO, but very, very workable- YES. We know what days we have and don't have to be an entire family unit. Again, is it hard, YES. For a few days out of the week I am a single mom. On the other hand for a few days out of the week I have my husband at home ALL DAY. I think any person with a job experiences the stress of balancing work and family. I feel we have it a little easier. If we need off, as long as we give enough notice (as anyone would have to do) we get it. No boss to answer to. A "normal" employee can't just take off work to be with their child who just needs a hug. Work is hard, but necessary. What about the traveling salespeople, bus drivers, truck drivers, ball players or more importantly the service men that are gone for 15 months at a time. It is not easy for ANYONE. If we want to exist in society we have to make money, thereby we have to make sacrifices. It has been hard, there have been squabbles, there have been tears, there have been gatherings attended alone but what I like to remember the most is there has been much laughter, joy and life experiences beyond my wildest dreams. I am not preaching that this is a fairy tale, but at times it sure feels great. A husband/daddy that gets to spend the entire day with his child for the majority of the week. Who could ask for more. I think the whole key here is balance, determination, drive, willingness, calling and mostly BOUNDARIES. If you don't set parameters in the beginning you quite easily can be pushed and pulled in too many directions.

In conclusion let me say. We love our life. I think everyday how fortunate I am to be married to a man who loves me, loves my family but most importantly love the Lord and desires to spread that love via his music. Comparatively, I think Shaun has the same goals for his life- just different styles of management. That is not bad, or good. It is what it is. I just want to stress that it's not all about being consumed by the business side of life. Regardless of who or what you do. I agree, make sure this life is for you. If you don't think you can handle it DON'T. but don't let the fear of what the "powers that be" will make you do scare you away either. You can have your cake and eat it too! I PROMISE.

To quote Mark's dad- "if you don't love what you do, there is no reason to do it!!"

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

he was very real and honest in his feelings about the Christian Music Industry, or the music industry in general.

Uhhhhhh, no. That's not what I (thought I) did. And perhaps this is where I screwed up communicating in my original post.

I wasn't offering my feelings about an industry. I was telling one man's story, a true story, an oft lived story, a cautionary tale about how this job of ours isn't for everyone.

It's possible to be independent in our industry and be thrilled - I am, almost all of the time. And it's possible to be signed and have the same experience. And it's possible to leave the biz altogether and love life too. We can all be "great." Really.

I only told one story though didn't I? My mistake. Only so much space on these blog thingies. Dang it.

So thanks for telling your story. A tale of happiness and success in the music business. It needs to be told more often. I'll link to it and I hope LOTS of aspiring artists are encouraged and model their "systems" after yours.

Thanks for the generous amount of info about your personal life. And for de-lurking yourself on my blog. ; )

(I miss you at Christmas parties, btw.)

Much blog love,
-Shaun
Shlog.com

Emily........ said...

I would like to say as a Third Day fan that I appreciate SO much the amount of time the 3D guys put into touring........bringing the Good News to the masses.
The 3D wives are a special breed!
As a wife and mother I would find it incredibly hard to see my husband go off for days on end, but as you said Stephanie, many service folk go off to foreign parts for months on end.

I pray that 3D and their wives continue to feel the love and peace of the Lord Jesus.

On a side note. When is the baby due? I hope that Mark's around for the birth!! We fans can let him go for at least a month!!
I can say that as we only see Third Day every 2 years - lol!!

marg said...
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marg said...

*I deleted this once to fix sp. mistakes!*

I agree, I think you are indeed very blessed to do what you love to do. The simple fact that your husbands job is able to support you to be a stay at home mummy is a HUGE thing to begin with.
So many people never find their niche job and resent what they have to do to make a living. As long as you are loving what you are doing, the rewards will out balance the sacrifices.
And I agree with what Emily said... I sure hope you've scheduled that new baby time off!

Anonymous said...

Is it our work itself that has value in and for eternity, or is its eternal value found only in what our working does to our souls?

Does our enjoyment of our work matter more than our work's effect on our ability to be and do what brings God enjoyment?

Mark follows Jesus. He loves God and loves people. And his marriage is tight, from what I hear. So this isn't about him. But what about the artist who enjoys his work but has essentially abandoned his children and wife? What about the artist who enjoys his work but is driven to do it by greed and self-gratification? What about the artist who enjoys his work but would be suicidal if he ever lost his job - it IS who HE is now?

Enjoyment is not king right? Agreed?

Ashleigh said...

Thanks for sharing your story Stephanie. It has been awesome to see over the years how you and Mark as well as the rest of the guys have stayed strong in what you do. Thanks for supporting your husband in what he does as well as the rest of the band. You are appreciated! Hope y'all have a great week in Nashville!!

Nathan said...

Wow! Nice Debate techniques, Stephanie! I'm impressed!
Hope all is well with you guys!
Greg D. says, "hello I'm your best friend in the world and got Mark his big break cause I was their youth leader once but didn't really know his name and referred to him as Mac's friend" :-)

Enjoy GMA week!

Anonymous said...

Work is work. It's much easier to be married to a man that loves the work he does, his job, than to one that doesn't even like it. My husband has worked more than one job ever since I met him. He has had 4 jobs at one time before (picking up shifts at different hospitals), not to get rich, but to support our family of 5. We have been apart more than together, I spent a lot of years thinking I was a single mom... but we have been married 30 yrs now. We're still not rich, he still works HARD, but he is down to ONE full time job (which requires traveling 16+ days a month and when he's "home" he still picks up shifts in the flexipool at the hospital), but he is really liking this new job and is much happier... which makes me much happier.
What comes to mind is the scripture...
He who began a good work in you, will see it through to completion...(my version, don't have my Bible handy) As for Third Day, for Mark and Stephanie... living in God's will comes with a great benefit package! His promises are for benefits beyond our expectations or imagination! He created and knew the band even while the earth was still hot!

Anonymous said...

Another comment to address the arts and God and life...
As an artist, I love what I do. God planted the seeds of creativity in me before I was born. I can't imagine doing anything else, and it does get frustrating sometimes to NOT be able to paint when family issues or other life issues pull me away from the canvas. It's about balance and putting God first, knowing what God desires and the way He tells me to prioritize my life... which means ART is not always first. I love art, but I do love God more. Keeping a healthy perspective and seeking to follow God's plan are being rewarded by creative ideas, by God being involved in the whole process of doing what I love. I pray that God will move in Shaun's life and give him the wisdom and tools to continue to do what he loves to do and NOT be consumed by the demands of the industry.

Jennifer said...

Amen sista! It is hard, but I am so thankful that my husband LOVES his job! I am so thankful that he has days at a time with us ALL DAY, and I am thankful that we have set boundaries early on to help with the chaos!!! Most importantly I am thankful that he is getting to minister, and pour his heart and life into others on a daily basis. That is what they are about, and that makes it all worth it!!!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for sharing this Stephanie. It has long been my practice to pray for the artists that I listen to and that often leads to intense prayer for their families. (Reading your dialogue just makes me thank God for the privilege for praying for you, Shaun and Third Day.) I appreciate you and Mark for your openness and pray that your marriage is incredibly richer for that.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for sharing this. I am an artist dealing with the early struggles of, "Should I quit my job and go full time? It feels like I should, but we're (the band) not quite there yet, Should we do this full time? How do I juggle "work" and "ministry"? When will I stop driving my wife crazy with this whole thing?" I have been a fan of 3D for years. I have seen them in concert several times. I have met the guys several times. I even spoke briefly with Mark as he was being rushed off to another radio interview at GMA this year. (He's a great guy btw) I have seen both sides of this discussion. Even debated this issue in my own head. We have definitely talked about it as a band. We always try to pattern our business/ministry/family lives after the way 3D handles theirs. It seems to be a proven way to handle this lifestyle. We are trying to do more things to make our group more of a family. Anyway, I have gone on too long. I am so proud of the guys and the way that they have handled their careers. But, they wouldn't be able to do it without the support of the WIVES!

Be Blessed

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